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Next PORK after 2022 will be a product of a revolution
2012
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 07, 2019 7:28:58 AM
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It looks like all indicators are leading there...

Stand for something or you will fall for anything. Today's mighty oak is yesterday's nut that held its ground. Rosa Parks
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 07, 2019 7:39:11 AM
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revolution may not happen soon with our tribal Kenya. no one can touch the tin god.seems their is pride in our man being at the helm even if we sleep hungry.may be after the current generation is fully gone .kitu 2098.
punda amecheka
Swenani
#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 07, 2019 10:35:22 AM
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2012 wrote:
It looks like all indicators are leading there...


What are the indicators. Don't let SM mislead you

Revolution in Kenya cannot happen without the support of the educated mass(Unemployed graduates and underpaid employees). Currently, this group of the population is busy with Njunge betting while the noise makers on chocho midia are the middle class who are trying to live a life they cannot afford hence venting on chocho midia and talking about revolution.

I can bet my balls that no under employed person will risk going for a demo/ sit down at the expense of missing going to work.
Poverty is the root of all evil
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 07, 2019 10:55:55 AM
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Kenya has resources which at least maintain us to a bare minimum. As @Swenani says, the guys who should be on the streets will never show up. Devolution has even made it worse since the eating is spread all over. You will wait until you go for that revolution, it will never happen.

The other tribal aspect is, people always percieve Luos (& abit of Luhyas) as the guys of chaos who want to destroy hard working results from Kikuyu (wider GEMA), Kisii, (Kaleos???? smile ) & others. Once this type of thinking is in place you will never have a revolution.

Then there are those cowards who will never ever do a thing, they know themselves.

North Eastern / Walalos have their own problems to concentrate on.

Kenya/Kenyans will never united to achieve anything meaningful in the near future. I know you will say 2002, that to me just happened by luck (& i still think Kibaki's accident was a major contributing factor of the unity up-to the polls, otherwise ....).
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:04:49 PM
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In the medium to longterm one of the biggest threats to national fabric is the instability that can arise from (God forbid) default on debt payments.

If you consider the anger Kenyans have shown due to corruption, misplaced priorities and rising debt, you dont want to imagine how they would react if what they fear most happens.

But govt still has a window to correct and steer ship in the right direction. Its up to them to make up their mind whether to continue burying their heads in the sand or confront the problem headon with nothing less than text book precision
tycho
#6 Posted : Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:09:12 PM
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Firstly, I believe that Hegel was right in his philosophy of history and that there's a 'Geist' or 'spirit' that guides history. This Geist works in the book of Daniel to cause a world order of nobility. Hesiod's philosophy too leads to the same conclusion.

But it would be naive to think of revolution in terms of presidency per se. Economic and political thought are changing pretty rapidly at the moment. Currently, ideas regarding climate change and biodiversity are forcing a rethink of our relations and is providing a huge incentive for a revolution even on a global scale.

Politically, the changing global order is occasioning a great possibility for war and conflict as nations struggle to define themselves. The spill over effect in African countries may turn out to be intense and may force serious political changes...
2012
#7 Posted : Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:09:06 PM
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Swenani wrote:
2012 wrote:
It looks like all indicators are leading there...


What are the indicators. Don't let SM mislead you

Revolution in Kenya cannot happen without the support of the educated mass(Unemployed graduates and underpaid employees). Currently, this group of the population is busy with Njunge betting while the noise makers on chocho midia are the middle class who are trying to live a life they cannot afford hence venting on chocho midia and talking about revolution.

I can bet my balls that no under employed person will risk going for a demo/ sit down at the expense of missing going to work.


You are right. Not the educated but the middle class.
"The centre is not holding, things are falling apart".
Currently, inequality, unemployment is very high, we are not creating new jobs but retrenching young people (which country in it's right mind retrenches under 30s???), the 40something universities and colleges are churning out hundreds of thousands of graduates including school leavers, corruption is high, elected members are for themselves, handshake vs Ruto not for us, economy, suicides, murders, Impunity, failed judiciary... Endless list. You could say a restart is eminent... or simply call it by it's name, a revolution.

Stand for something or you will fall for anything. Today's mighty oak is yesterday's nut that held its ground. Rosa Parks
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:15:18 PM
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Kenya/Kenyans will never united to achieve anything meaningful in the near future. I know you will say 2002, that to me just happened by luck (& i still think Kibaki's accident was a major contributing factor of the unity up-to the polls, otherwise ....).

Applause Applause The 2002 'unity' was still tribal. It was a convergence of tribal interests that somehow worked well for the country
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
wukan
#9 Posted : Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:41:31 PM
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2012 wrote:
Swenani wrote:
2012 wrote:
It looks like all indicators are leading there...


What are the indicators. Don't let SM mislead you

Revolution in Kenya cannot happen without the support of the educated mass(Unemployed graduates and underpaid employees). Currently, this group of the population is busy with Njunge betting while the noise makers on chocho midia are the middle class who are trying to live a life they cannot afford hence venting on chocho midia and talking about revolution.

I can bet my balls that no under employed person will risk going for a demo/ sit down at the expense of missing going to work.


You are right. Not the educated but the middle class.
"The centre is not holding, things are falling apart".
Currently, inequality, unemployment is very high, we are not creating new jobs but retrenching young people (which country in it's right mind retrenches under 30s???), the 40something universities and colleges are churning out hundreds of thousands of graduates including school leavers, corruption is high, elected members are for themselves, handshake vs Ruto not for us, economy, suicides, murders, Impunity, failed judiciary... Endless list. You could say a restart is eminent... or simply call it by it's name, a revolution.


You should direct the question to the 19 year olds(kibaki era kids) not the middle-aged wazuans. Kenya is a very young country median age of 19 years. These young ones are bila chills. I used to entertain myself by going to Uhuru's fb page comments section before it was closed.

On retrenchmentsPray poleni
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Significant underwriting losses for many players were witnessed last year, leaving a number of insurers with ratios below the legal minimum requirements set by the Insurance Regulatory Authority (IRA).

I think this is the worst year ever in Kenya’s history. We need to ask for how long. Another one similar year and half of these companies will go bust. Maybe consolidation is an answer,” Jubilee Holdings chairman Nizar Juma told the Business Daily.


The educated middle class is under that famous fake Lenin quote 'The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.'

The biggest risk is climate change. Another failed rain season and folks in the rural areas will go bananas.
gk
#10 Posted : Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:47:22 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Kenya has resources which at least maintain us to a bare minimum. As @Swenani says, the guys who should be on the streets will never show up. Devolution has even made it worse since the eating is spread all over. You will wait until you go for that revolution, it will never happen.

The other tribal aspect is, people always percieve Luos (& abit of Luhyas) as the guys of chaos who want to destroy hard working results from Kikuyu (wider GEMA), Kisii, (Kaleos???? smile ) & others. Once this type of thinking is in place you will never have a revolution.

Then there are those cowards who will never ever do a thing, they know themselves.

North Eastern / Walalos have their own problems to concentrate on.

Kenya/Kenyans will never united to achieve anything meaningful in the near future. I know you will say 2002, that to me just happened by luck (& i still think Kibaki's accident was a major contributing factor of the unity up-to the polls, otherwise ....).


True. ..we don't have a common enemy that threatens our collective and individual welfare. Unfortunately, widespread as it is, corruption is not since those partaking are you and me.
As for the rest, most are unlikely to sacrifice their hustles for even a day in the streets.
tycho
#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 07, 2019 2:51:50 PM
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What is a revolution? For me, it is about the point of a circle distinguishing itself through motion till it is at the opposite side of itself and going back to its original self.

A revolution is a self development cycle and it is always conservative.

I fear that we've used wrong labels in history for there has never been a revolution in history as yet. Only a progression of history with insurrections among parties with a hope for the one revolution to come.

Maybe it has come now.
tycho
#12 Posted : Saturday, May 11, 2019 8:18:30 AM
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A few days ago I was researching on British politics and I came to the conclusion that the British government as we know it today is likely to collapse. I thought I was hallucinating but today I see that even Boris Johnson sees the possibility...

Britain is at significant disadvantage today, it has no strong move ahead.

How does such an eventuality affect Kenya?
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#13 Posted : Saturday, May 11, 2019 1:09:52 PM
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A revolution doesn't mean violence. It happens when the citizens awaken to the realization that the power belongs to them and not the and not the other way round and they take it back.

I think Kenya will reach there when the coming referendum fails. I do not like Ruto but on the referendum, he is right and he will sadly come through as the hero.

The Impunity in this country is beyond recovery and it looks like president Kenyatta has become ceremonial and toothless. I gave up on him the day he asked us, the people who evected him, "munataka nifanye?“ That question just made him the worst president Kenya has ever had. Can you imagine the CEO of a company eg James Mwangi or Bob Callingmore asking his shareholders that?!! He would be fired on the spot.

Stand for something or you will fall for anything. Today's mighty oak is yesterday's nut that held its ground. Rosa Parks
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#14 Posted : Saturday, May 11, 2019 2:26:17 PM
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2012 wrote:
A revolution doesn't mean violence. It happens when the citizens awaken to the realization that the power belongs to them and not the and not the other way round and they take it back.

I think Kenya will reach there when the coming referendum fails. I do not like Ruto but on the referendum, he is right and he will sadly come through as the hero.

The Impunity in this country is beyond recovery and it looks like president Kenyatta has become ceremonial and toothless. I gave up on him the day he asked us, the people who evected him, "munataka nifanye?“ That question just
made him the worst president Kenya has ever had. Can you imagine the CEO of a company eg James Mwangi or Bob Callingmore asking his shareholders that?!! He would be fired on the spot.

The problem here is that you still want a dictatorship even with the current constitution. What the guy was talking about at that time was that he was trying hard to strengthen independent offices which looked useless because either the appointees slept on the job or they themselves started eating. If not so. How do you explain the fact that when some office holders retired or resigned we saw a lot of changes in the movement of cases?
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
2012
#15 Posted : Saturday, May 11, 2019 3:24:17 PM
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mpobiz wrote:
2012 wrote:
A revolution doesn't mean violence. It happens when the citizens awaken to the realization that the power belongs to them and not the and not the other way round and they take it back.

I think Kenya will reach there when the coming referendum fails. I do not like Ruto but on the referendum, he is right and he will sadly come through as the hero.

The Impunity in this country is beyond recovery and it looks like president Kenyatta has become ceremonial and toothless. I gave up on him the day he asked us, the people who evected him, "munataka nifanye?“ That question just
made him the worst president Kenya has ever had. Can you imagine the CEO of a company eg James Mwangi or Bob Callingmore asking his shareholders that?!! He would be fired on the spot.

The problem here is that you still want a dictatorship even with the current constitution. What the guy was talking about at that time was that he was trying hard to strengthen independent offices which looked useless because either the appointees slept on the job or they themselves started eating. If not so. How do you explain the fact that when some office holders retired or resigned we saw a lot of changes in the movement of cases?


Those offices are not weak. They've just been made inefficient by corruption. The only way to strengthen the independent offices is by eradicating corruption. The holders of these offices know they are there for a term or two so they decide to fill their stomachs before the term ends. Only the president can stop corruption, he has the blessing of over 40 million Kenyans to go after the 10,000 corrupt.

Stand for something or you will fall for anything. Today's mighty oak is yesterday's nut that held its ground. Rosa Parks
tycho
#16 Posted : Sunday, May 12, 2019 8:04:15 AM
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2012 wrote:
A revolution doesn't mean violence. It happens when the citizens awaken to the realization that the power belongs to them and not the and not the other way round and they take it back.

I think Kenya will reach there when the coming referendum fails. I do not like Ruto but on the referendum, he is right and he will sadly come through as the hero.

The Impunity in this country is beyond recovery and it looks like president Kenyatta has become ceremonial and toothless. I gave up on him the day he asked us, the people who evected him, "munataka nifanye?“ That question just made him the worst president Kenya has ever had. Can you imagine the CEO of a company eg James Mwangi or Bob Callingmore asking his shareholders that?!! He would be fired on the spot.


The idea that power belongs to the people is false. Historically this is a new concept and it came as a result of collapsing political ideology.

Power belongs to the mandate of heaven and states and bodies politic need only to ascribe to it.

Revolution is regaining consciousness to this mandate.
FRM2011
#17 Posted : Sunday, May 12, 2019 9:27:25 AM
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Swenani wrote:
2012 wrote:
It looks like all indicators are leading there...


What are the indicators. Don't let SM mislead you

Revolution in Kenya cannot happen without the support of the educated mass(Unemployed graduates and underpaid employees). Currently, this group of the population is busy with Njunge betting while the noise makers on chocho midia are the middle class who are trying to live a life they cannot afford hence venting on chocho midia and talking about revolution.

I can bet my balls that no under employed person will risk going for a demo/ sit down at the expense of missing going to work.



Nobody organized the revolution in Tunisia. It was spontaneous. The tipping point is when the public discovers they hold the real power.

The situation in Tunisia had been ripe waiting for a trigger. All it took was a street trader being harassed by police and he set himself on fire.

Two weeks ago, police tried to arrest a bodaboda guy in the CBD. He fought for his bike forcing the cops to shoot in the air but the guy still snatched his bike from them and took off. The public was of course cheering for the guy.

Today, I doubt any jubilee politician can dare show his face in downtown Nairobi. The anger is almost at boiling point.
tycho
#18 Posted : Sunday, May 12, 2019 10:48:22 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Swenani wrote:
2012 wrote:
It looks like all indicators are leading there...


What are the indicators. Don't let SM mislead you

Revolution in Kenya cannot happen without the support of the educated mass(Unemployed graduates and underpaid employees). Currently, this group of the population is busy with Njunge betting while the noise makers on chocho midia are the middle class who are trying to live a life they cannot afford hence venting on chocho midia and talking about revolution.

I can bet my balls that no under employed person will risk going for a demo/ sit down at the expense of missing going to work.



Nobody organized the revolution in Tunisia. It was spontaneous. The tipping point is when the public discovers they hold the real power.

The situation in Tunisia had been ripe waiting for a trigger. All it took was a street trader being harassed by police and he set himself on fire.

Two weeks ago, police tried to arrest a bodaboda guy in the CBD. He fought for his bike forcing the cops to shoot in the air but the guy still snatched his bike from them and took off. The public was of course cheering for the guy.

Today, I doubt any jubilee politician can dare show his face in downtown Nairobi. The anger is almost at boiling point.


There was no revolution in Tunisia. There has never been a revolution in modern to contemporary history.

What happened in Tunisia was an arranged operation by some military organizations working with the masses.
tycho
#19 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2019 10:10:14 AM
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How is it that the people's President could only accept a handshake and seek the blessings of the elite for his personal ambition?

Surely, could there be something that is amiss in our political thought? I guess this writer has a hint:

https://www.theguardian....revolution-crowd-caracas
2012
#20 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2019 7:38:17 PM
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[quote=tycho]How is it that the people's President could only accept a handshake and seek the blessings of the elite for his personal ambition?

Surely, could there be something that is amiss in our political thought? I guess this writer has a hint:

https://www.theguardian....evolution-crowd-caracas[/quote]

The people's president was heavy in debt and to the wrong people after the last elections. He needed someone with very deep pockets to bail him out and for that he pledged his allegiance or in GOT terms, 'he bend the knee'. That man was Uhuru the son of Jomo.

Stand for something or you will fall for anything. Today's mighty oak is yesterday's nut that held its ground. Rosa Parks
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