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New NYS Scandal
Njunge
#1 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:33:21 PM
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10 birrion gone just like that. Dear Jesus, just come even if your time is not up!Pray Pray
murchr
#2 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2018 5:35:36 PM
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Yes because getting rid if Waiguru didnt get rid of the real thieves.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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T-Bag
#3 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2018 6:56:40 PM
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One bullet remains: Death Penalty

http://www.scmp.com/news...threshold-death-penalty
I have been married to a mountaineer for 10 years, Nothing scares me!
Fyatu
#4 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2018 7:20:47 PM
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Has Maraga and his team concluded NYS-1 scandal? When will someone be convicted of corruption in this country and sent to Kamiti for minimum 10 years?
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Impunity
#5 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2018 7:21:34 PM
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This is all due to handshake,no one is left to watch over the thieves in the government.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Euge
#6 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:29:52 PM
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And 8B MOH scandal last week
Lord, thank you!
hardwood
#7 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:43:41 PM
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murchr wrote:
Yes because getting rid if Waiguru didnt get rid of the real thieves.


They got rid of the whistle blower, Waiguru, and now you can see we have moved from 0.7B to 10B.
Mukiri
#8 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2018 2:41:27 AM
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NYS should be disbanded and done away with.

Proverbs 19:21
2012
#9 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2018 7:52:06 AM
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Until Kenyans get angry & tired, nothing will happen.

Until we call it theft and not corruption, nothing will happen.

Until we name and shame the thieves, nothing will happen.

Until we discipline these thieves on the streets the same way we discipline phone thieves on this streets nothing will happen. Forget the courts, they are incapable, unwilling or deeply compromised. They are part of the problem.

Get tired Kenyans!

What people think of you is none of your business. °😱
2012
#10 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2018 7:53:45 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
NYS should be disbanded and done away with.


That's not a solution. The same money will be put in agriculture where it will be stolen by the same people, the same way.

What people think of you is none of your business. °😱
aemathenge
#11 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2018 9:29:40 AM
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2012 wrote:
Until Kenyans get angry & tired, nothing will happen.

Until we call it theft and not corruption, nothing will happen.

Until we name and shame the thieves, nothing will happen.

Until we discipline these thieves on the streets the same way we discipline phone thieves on this streets nothing will happen. Forget the courts, they are incapable, unwilling or deeply compromised. They are part of the problem.

Get tired Kenyans!


I wait with wild anticipation to your rebuttal to the sentiments expressed by an Kenian economist I hold in great respect.

Copy and paste extract of the sentiments:

Quote:
When Kenya was governed under a centralised system, grand corruption was a distant affair that benefited a limited circle of individuals.

A farmer could not conceive how he or she would ever get a kickback in the circle of corruption, until devolution.

When county officials divert public finances to their pockets, much of that money remains within the county economy.

It can be used to finance household expenses, education and health costs, as well as generally improve the quality of life of the corrupt individual and those in their circle.

Diverted public monies also become investment funds, where corrupt individuals suddenly have cash that can be directed to business activity.

I have travelled in counties where I have been openly told that this building or that business belongs to a government official.

This government official did not have these assets before, but suddenly they are serious financiers in the county.

And interestingly, these facts are not shared with a tone of bitterness or annoyance, there almost seems to be an appreciation that even if public monies are being stolen, at least they are benefiting the local economy.

After all, businesses are being financed, people are being employed to run and manage them and suddenly there is a new source of income for many.

This is not a justification of corruption, but rather an exploration of how it is evolving.

We seem to have moved on from the days when loot was sequestered in accounts in distant capitals of Europe and North America.

Now when public money is stolen, much of it sticks around.

How will this inform the fight against corruption?

How do strategies that seek to address corruption need to be updated to become relevant again?

These are questions for us all.


Source Link From The Business Daily
Mukiri
#12 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2018 1:42:44 PM
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2012 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
NYS should be disbanded and done away with.


That's not a solution. The same money will be put in agriculture where it will be stolen by the same people, the same way.

What role does NYS serve? You cannot steal 10B in agriculture without endangering the stomachs of people, which would in turn lead to a ruckus. You most certainly cannot steal that amount twice, in succession! Do away with NYS and empower technical schools

Proverbs 19:21
tycho
#13 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2018 2:04:47 PM
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When ancient thinkers pondered on 'statehood' there's one possibility they appear to have overlooked. That states can be created by second and third parties.

A state like ours would appear to be that kind of state not anticipated by? Montesquieu.

In fact, the great thinkers fail horribly to account for the African continent for example.

So, my contention is that it's probable that we misconstrue our statehood and our institutions because there's no proper precedent to rely on.

States like ours appear to be designed strictly for the benefit of the few elites.

Consider the NYS. It offers an avenue for redirecting funds for personal use, and at the same time it increases police presence among the masses.

So how can @Mukiri in all seriousness ask what purpose it serves?

Mukiri
#14 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2018 3:34:25 PM
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tycho wrote:
When ancient thinkers pondered on 'statehood' there's one possibility they appear to have overlooked. That states can be created by second and third parties.

A state like ours would appear to be that kind of state not anticipated by? Montesquieu.

In fact, the great thinkers fail horribly to account for the African continent for example.

So, my contention is that it's probable that we misconstrue our statehood and our institutions because there's no proper precedent to rely on.

States like ours appear to be designed strictly for the benefit of the few elites.

Consider the NYS. It offers an avenue for redirecting funds for personal use, and at the same time it increases police presence among the masses.

So how can @Mukiri in all seriousness ask what purpose it serves?


What purpose does it serve?

Proverbs 19:21
2012
#15 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2018 4:35:06 PM
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Joined: 12/9/2009
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Location: Nairobi
Mukiri wrote:
2012 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
NYS should be disbanded and done away with.


That's not a solution. The same money will be put in agriculture where it will be stolen by the same people, the same way.

What role does NYS serve? You cannot steal 10B in agriculture without endangering the stomachs of people, which would in turn lead to a ruckus. You most certainly cannot steal that amount twice, in succession! Do away with NYS and empower technical schools


My friend, what I meant is it doesn't matter which ministry the money is put in for these gluttons to eat. In agriculture, it can be put in fertilizer, irrigation, research, farmer education, wheelbarrows, pesticide... the list is endless. The gluttons know that you can't take them anywhere anyway...

What people think of you is none of your business. °😱
Mukiri
#16 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2018 5:15:07 PM
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2012 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
2012 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
NYS should be disbanded and done away with.


That's not a solution. The same money will be put in agriculture where it will be stolen by the same people, the same way.

What role does NYS serve? You cannot steal 10B in agriculture without endangering the stomachs of people, which would in turn lead to a ruckus. You most certainly cannot steal that amount twice, in succession! Do away with NYS and empower technical schools


My friend, what I meant is it doesn't matter which ministry the money is put in for these gluttons to eat. In agriculture, it can be put in fertilizer, irrigation, research, farmer education, wheelbarrows, pesticide... the list is endless. The gluttons know that you can't take them anywhere anyway...

I hear you. But you can't eat 10B in Agriculture either way. Those are way too many wheelbarrows. Ask Bungoma

Proverbs 19:21
Swenani
#17 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2018 5:18:58 PM
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Mtajua hamjui
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Njunge
#18 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2018 6:08:17 PM
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Joined: 2/7/2007
Posts: 591
Mukiri wrote:
2012 wrote:
[quote=Mukiri][quote=2012][quote=Mukiri]NYS should be disbanded and done away with.


But you can't eat 10B in Agriculture either way. Those are way too many wheelbarrows. Ask Bungoma


C'mon son!!. How much was pumped into the Galana Irrigation Scheme??
radio
#19 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2018 6:23:38 PM
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Joined: 11/9/2009
Posts: 1,988
aemathenge wrote:
2012 wrote:
Until Kenyans get angry & tired, nothing will happen.

Until we call it theft and not corruption, nothing will happen.

Until we name and shame the thieves, nothing will happen.

Until we discipline these thieves on the streets the same way we discipline phone thieves on this streets nothing will happen. Forget the courts, they are incapable, unwilling or deeply compromised. They are part of the problem.

Get tired Kenyans!


I wait with wild anticipation to your rebuttal to the sentiments expressed by an Kenian economist I hold in great respect.

Copy and paste extract of the sentiments:

Quote:
When Kenya was governed under a centralised system, grand corruption was a distant affair that benefited a limited circle of individuals.

A farmer could not conceive how he or she would ever get a kickback in the circle of corruption, until devolution.

When county officials divert public finances to their pockets, much of that money remains within the county economy.

It can be used to finance household expenses, education and health costs, as well as generally improve the quality of life of the corrupt individual and those in their circle.

Diverted public monies also become investment funds, where corrupt individuals suddenly have cash that can be directed to business activity.

I have travelled in counties where I have been openly told that this building or that business belongs to a government official.

This government official did not have these assets before, but suddenly they are serious financiers in the county.

And interestingly, these facts are not shared with a tone of bitterness or annoyance, there almost seems to be an appreciation that even if public monies are being stolen, at least they are benefiting the local economy.

After all, businesses are being financed, people are being employed to run and manage them and suddenly there is a new source of income for many.

This is not a justification of corruption, but rather an exploration of how it is evolving.

We seem to have moved on from the days when loot was sequestered in accounts in distant capitals of Europe and North America.

Now when public money is stolen, much of it sticks around.

How will this inform the fight against corruption?

How do strategies that seek to address corruption need to be updated to become relevant again?

These are questions for us all.


Source Link From The Business Daily


Inflation je?
Mukiri
#20 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2018 7:37:39 PM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,198
Njunge wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
2012 wrote:
[quote=Mukiri][quote=2012][quote=Mukiri]NYS should be disbanded and done away with.


But you can't eat 10B in Agriculture either way. Those are way too many wheelbarrows. Ask Bungoma


C'mon son!!. How much was pumped into the Galana Irrigation Scheme??

Sad Yenyewe Guka you have a point there. They are now leasing blocks of land, to interested farmers. But imagine there was another larger scandal on the same, wouldn't your sentiments be the same? Cost vs Reward

Proverbs 19:21
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