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sqft
#61 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2020 10:54:10 PM
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Rwanda banned mitumbas and they are doing ok. The US protested the ban by kicking Rwanda from Agoa but Rwanda stayed put and the Rwandese EPZ companies that were exporting to the US shifted to selling in the Rwanda domestic market and neighboring countries. Kagame did the right thing. Would Trump accept kenyans to dump their used underwear in the US?

Those rioting mitumba traders should realize that they are in the clothing industry, not mitumba industry and thus should source affordable new clothing from elsewhere, including local tailors. Those mitumbas are charity donations that are supposed to be given for free to the poor in the US, UK etc and not to be sold to 3rd world countries killing their textile industries.

https://www.dw.com/en/rw...ed-clothing/av-50350131

https://www.africanews.c...o-us-to-withdraw-agoa//

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Rwanda banned second hand clothes imports in 2018. The ban was aimed at boosting its textile industry. As a result the US ended Rwandan duty free export privileges. But the country has adapted remarkably well.
Exodus 20:17 Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
sqft
#62 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2020 11:07:08 PM
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Very sad that Kenya is the largest importer of mitumbas in Africa. This points to a total lack of pride in ourselves, we are the sewer rats of Africa, at the very bottom.

https://www.un.org/afric...n-imported-used-clothing
Exodus 20:17 Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
kayhara
#63 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2020 11:26:22 PM
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When you think of mitumba clothes being made at EPZ Athiriver...going to US/UK etc and then coming back as Mtumba and being sold at the same price as new, you have to wonder what is this quality we are seeking. [/quote]
not true[/quote]

EPZ items were only available to kenyans during expos,during the mitumba ban GoK allowed the epz to sell their items locally, so far that has not translated to items in the market but if GoK does not break under the pressure and allow mitumba back epz clohing will be around in December.
To Each His Own
murchr
#64 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2020 11:34:59 PM
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kayhara wrote:
murchr wrote:
When you think of mitumba clothes being made at EPZ Athiriver...going to US/UK etc and then coming back as Mtumba and being sold at the same price as new, you have to wonder what is this quality we are seeking.



not true

EPZ items were only available to kenyans during expos,during the mitumba ban GoK allowed the epz to sell their items locally, so far that has not translated to items in the market but if GoK does not break under the pressure and allow mitumba back epz clohing will be around in December.


The same GOK that allows those EPZ shops to sell locally can allow them to sell to these mitumba sellers also. Nothing is cast on stone
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kmucheke
#65 Posted : Thursday, August 13, 2020 7:56:38 AM
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mkenyan wrote:
murchr wrote:
kayhara wrote:
Was at a mtumba warehouse in Kongowea today, the bales are running low, stock will be out by end of month, if importation is not allowed retail traders will either have to start selling the new clothes or close or join others bringing in from TZ and UG illegally that is, they could start closing up.
There is also a war between mtumba cars and KRA still in the ring,
Most kenyans even those who can afford say new pair of school shoes from bata swear by mtumba shoes, BATA school shoes look 8 years old in the first week, mtumba school shoes usually last a full year or just don't fit anymore and are handed down.
For cars consumers complain that the new cars sold in kenya are very bare with few extras and for say the 5m getting a new toyota double cab can get you a top spec ford ranger and spare change on top.
in short Kenyans want quality items for fair price, I would like for mtumba clothes never to come back, some kenyans will fill in the gaps, quality will come up later.


When you think of mitumba clothes being made at EPZ Athiriver...going to US/UK etc and then coming back as Mtumba and being sold at the same price as new, you have to wonder what is this quality we are seeking.

not true


More than 95% percent of clothing in the US is imported. I don't how much of this is from Kenya. But majority has to be from Asia.
Link

Where then does the US get the mitumba that is dumped in Kenya?
mkenyan
#66 Posted : Thursday, August 13, 2020 7:51:10 PM
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kmucheke wrote:
mkenyan wrote:
murchr wrote:
kayhara wrote:
Was at a mtumba warehouse in Kongowea today, the bales are running low, stock will be out by end of month, if importation is not allowed retail traders will either have to start selling the new clothes or close or join others bringing in from TZ and UG illegally that is, they could start closing up.
There is also a war between mtumba cars and KRA still in the ring,
Most kenyans even those who can afford say new pair of school shoes from bata swear by mtumba shoes, BATA school shoes look 8 years old in the first week, mtumba school shoes usually last a full year or just don't fit anymore and are handed down.
For cars consumers complain that the new cars sold in kenya are very bare with few extras and for say the 5m getting a new toyota double cab can get you a top spec ford ranger and spare change on top.
in short Kenyans want quality items for fair price, I would like for mtumba clothes never to come back, some kenyans will fill in the gaps, quality will come up later.


When you think of mitumba clothes being made at EPZ Athiriver...going to US/UK etc and then coming back as Mtumba and being sold at the same price as new, you have to wonder what is this quality we are seeking.

not true


More than 95% percent of clothing in the US is imported. I don't how much of this is from Kenya. But majority has to be from Asia.
Link

Where then does the US get the mitumba that is dumped in Kenya?

so a new high end brand costs the same a mtumba? not even close
murchr
#67 Posted : Thursday, August 13, 2020 9:18:00 PM
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mkenyan wrote:
kmucheke wrote:
mkenyan wrote:
murchr wrote:
kayhara wrote:
Was at a mtumba warehouse in Kongowea today, the bales are running low, stock will be out by end of month, if importation is not allowed retail traders will either have to start selling the new clothes or close or join others bringing in from TZ and UG illegally that is, they could start closing up.
There is also a war between mtumba cars and KRA still in the ring,
Most kenyans even those who can afford say new pair of school shoes from bata swear by mtumba shoes, BATA school shoes look 8 years old in the first week, mtumba school shoes usually last a full year or just don't fit anymore and are handed down.
For cars consumers complain that the new cars sold in kenya are very bare with few extras and for say the 5m getting a new toyota double cab can get you a top spec ford ranger and spare change on top.
in short Kenyans want quality items for fair price, I would like for mtumba clothes never to come back, some kenyans will fill in the gaps, quality will come up later.


When you think of mitumba clothes being made at EPZ Athiriver...going to US/UK etc and then coming back as Mtumba and being sold at the same price as new, you have to wonder what is this quality we are seeking.

not true


More than 95% percent of clothing in the US is imported. I don't how much of this is from Kenya. But majority has to be from Asia.
Link

Where then does the US get the mitumba that is dumped in Kenya?

so a new high end brand costs the same a mtumba? not even close



What you think is high end brands "mitumba" are cheap knock offs, copies made in China.
As an example donated high end clothes and other brands are sold to companies such as REBELLE and such like stores. In the west, if you can trade your items/clothes to some shops for a fraction of what you got it for and then the shops end up reselling these items.
Most of the clothes that come into the country as Mitumba are cheap clothes donated to charities such as the Salvation Army or Goodwill, these stores select what they can sell and for sure some stuff is the real deal but their buyers spot these and value the items per its condition and sell it in their stores, then the rest is bundled and sold as mitumba.


Quote:
Apparel exports from Kenya to the US grew from US$254m in 2012 to US$338m in 2017. Yet Kenya accounts for only 0.4% of the US$80.3bn American apparel import market. In contrast, Bangladesh, a low-cost favourite, is approximately 9% more expensive than Kenya, but commands 6% of the US import market.


There's enough info online
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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sqft
#68 Posted : Thursday, August 13, 2020 9:37:56 PM
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No responsible govt would allow the clothes of dead covid patients to be dumped in their country.
Exodus 20:17 Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
kmucheke
#69 Posted : Sunday, August 16, 2020 9:06:22 PM
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madollar
#70 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2020 3:36:34 AM
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mkenyan
#71 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2020 9:06:41 AM
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murchr wrote:
mkenyan wrote:
kmucheke wrote:
mkenyan wrote:
murchr wrote:
kayhara wrote:
Was at a mtumba warehouse in Kongowea today, the bales are running low, stock will be out by end of month, if importation is not allowed retail traders will either have to start selling the new clothes or close or join others bringing in from TZ and UG illegally that is, they could start closing up.
There is also a war between mtumba cars and KRA still in the ring,
Most kenyans even those who can afford say new pair of school shoes from bata swear by mtumba shoes, BATA school shoes look 8 years old in the first week, mtumba school shoes usually last a full year or just don't fit anymore and are handed down.
For cars consumers complain that the new cars sold in kenya are very bare with few extras and for say the 5m getting a new toyota double cab can get you a top spec ford ranger and spare change on top.
in short Kenyans want quality items for fair price, I would like for mtumba clothes never to come back, some kenyans will fill in the gaps, quality will come up later.


When you think of mitumba clothes being made at EPZ Athiriver...going to US/UK etc and then coming back as Mtumba and being sold at the same price as new, you have to wonder what is this quality we are seeking.

not true


More than 95% percent of clothing in the US is imported. I don't how much of this is from Kenya. But majority has to be from Asia.
Link

Where then does the US get the mitumba that is dumped in Kenya?

so a new high end brand costs the same a mtumba? not even close



What you think is high end brands "mitumba" are cheap knock offs, copies made in China.
As an example donated high end clothes and other brands are sold to companies such as REBELLE and such like stores. In the west, if you can trade your items/clothes to some shops for a fraction of what you got it for and then the shops end up reselling these items.
Most of the clothes that come into the country as Mitumba are cheap clothes donated to charities such as the Salvation Army or Goodwill, these stores select what they can sell and for sure some stuff is the real deal but their buyers spot these and value the items per its condition and sell it in their stores, then the rest is bundled and sold as mitumba.


Quote:
Apparel exports from Kenya to the US grew from US$254m in 2012 to US$338m in 2017. Yet Kenya accounts for only 0.4% of the US$80.3bn American apparel import market. In contrast, Bangladesh, a low-cost favourite, is approximately 9% more expensive than Kenya, but commands 6% of the US import market.


There's enough info online
my understating is that the second hand clothes come from all regions and not only china. the knockoffs are usually new clothes and not mtumba.
mkenyan
#72 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2020 9:13:24 AM
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madollar wrote:

true. but trust kenyans to look down on second hand clothes while admiring and dreaming of owning 'brand new' imported second hand cars - v8s or not.
sqft
#73 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2020 12:42:39 PM
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mkenyan wrote:
madollar wrote:

true. but trust kenyans to look down on second hand clothes while admiring and dreaming of owning 'brand new' imported second hand cars - v8s or not.


Ok. You are free to go and buy used underwear hapo gikomba.
Exodus 20:17 Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
murchr
#74 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2020 3:54:06 PM
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mkenyan wrote:
murchr wrote:
mkenyan wrote:
kmucheke wrote:
mkenyan wrote:
murchr wrote:
kayhara wrote:
Was at a mtumba warehouse in Kongowea today, the bales are running low, stock will be out by end of month, if importation is not allowed retail traders will either have to start selling the new clothes or close or join others bringing in from TZ and UG illegally that is, they could start closing up.
There is also a war between mtumba cars and KRA still in the ring,
Most kenyans even those who can afford say new pair of school shoes from bata swear by mtumba shoes, BATA school shoes look 8 years old in the first week, mtumba school shoes usually last a full year or just don't fit anymore and are handed down.
For cars consumers complain that the new cars sold in kenya are very bare with few extras and for say the 5m getting a new toyota double cab can get you a top spec ford ranger and spare change on top.
in short Kenyans want quality items for fair price, I would like for mtumba clothes never to come back, some kenyans will fill in the gaps, quality will come up later.


When you think of mitumba clothes being made at EPZ Athiriver...going to US/UK etc and then coming back as Mtumba and being sold at the same price as new, you have to wonder what is this quality we are seeking.

not true


More than 95% percent of clothing in the US is imported. I don't how much of this is from Kenya. But majority has to be from Asia.
Link

Where then does the US get the mitumba that is dumped in Kenya?

so a new high end brand costs the same a mtumba? not even close



What you think is high end brands "mitumba" are cheap knock offs, copies made in China.
As an example donated high end clothes and other brands are sold to companies such as REBELLE and such like stores. In the west, if you can trade your items/clothes to some shops for a fraction of what you got it for and then the shops end up reselling these items.
Most of the clothes that come into the country as Mitumba are cheap clothes donated to charities such as the Salvation Army or Goodwill, these stores select what they can sell and for sure some stuff is the real deal but their buyers spot these and value the items per its condition and sell it in their stores, then the rest is bundled and sold as mitumba.


Quote:
Apparel exports from Kenya to the US grew from US$254m in 2012 to US$338m in 2017. Yet Kenya accounts for only 0.4% of the US$80.3bn American apparel import market. In contrast, Bangladesh, a low-cost favourite, is approximately 9% more expensive than Kenya, but commands 6% of the US import market.


There's enough info online
my understating is that the second hand clothes come from all regions and not only china. the knockoffs are usually new clothes and not mtumba.



You probably didnt understand what I wrote, read again
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