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murchr
#1 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 7:11:26 PM
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Inspector General Police nominees: David Kimaiyo, John Ochieng’, Grace Kaindi.

Deputy Regular Police nominees
: Ndegwa Muhoro, Judy Ndeda, Jasper Ombati.

Deputy Administration Police nominees: Samuel Arachi, Gideon Kimilu and David Karugu.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Impunity
#2 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:33:18 PM
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Mahindi apewe kazi, lets try women for once.
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Coolio
#3 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:08:52 PM
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Kimaiyo for IG
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maligumu
#4 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:51:26 PM
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Political economy ! None of the above .
Peace be with you
maka
#5 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:54:42 PM
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murchr wrote:
Inspector General Police nominees: David Kimaiyo, John Ochieng’, Grace Kaindi.

Deputy Regular Police nominees
: Ndegwa Muhoro, Judy Ndeda, Jasper Ombati.

Deputy Administration Police nominees: Samuel Arachi, Gideon Kimilu and David Karugu.

...how now?
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harrydre
#6 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:55:30 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Mahindi apewe kazi, lets try women for once.



Wasn't she the boss in kisum back in 2007/2008 if I remember correctly?

Wakandi
#7 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:38:02 AM
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With the constitutional requirement of not more than two thirds appointments in favor of one gender, does it then mean that BaksRao must appoint at least one lady? would hate to see Muhoro loosing out...
bkismat
#8 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:41:46 AM
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Wakandi wrote:
With the constitutional requirement of not more than two thirds appointments in favor of one gender, does it then mean that BaksRao must appoint at least one lady? would hate to see Muhoro loosing out...


Bad luck for Muhoro. I see Judy Ndeda getting the Assistant Regualr Police. The other two posts will go to men.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
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nakujua
#9 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:17:31 AM
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bkismat wrote:
Wakandi wrote:
With the constitutional requirement of not more than two thirds appointments in favor of one gender, does it then mean that BaksRao must appoint at least one lady? would hate to see Muhoro loosing out...


Bad luck for Muhoro. I see Judy Ndeda getting the Assistant Regualr Police. The other two posts will go to men.


kwani the gender rule also applies in matters security, will it also apply to the next army generals - I have never seen a top army lady, ama they will pull one from the lower ranks to balance the thing
Robinhood
#10 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:01:50 AM
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nakujua wrote:
bkismat wrote:
Wakandi wrote:
With the constitutional requirement of not more than two thirds appointments in favor of one gender, does it then mean that BaksRao must appoint at least one lady? would hate to see Muhoro loosing out...


Bad luck for Muhoro. I see Judy Ndeda getting the Assistant Regualr Police. The other two posts will go to men.


kwani the gender rule also applies in matters security, will it also apply to the next army generals - I have never seen a top army lady, ama they will pull one from the lower ranks to balance the thing


These are the things you get when activists are put in charge of drafting a consitution
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
wazuaguest
#11 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:09:16 AM
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give those who garnered the highest marks.period.
Africa belongs to Africans.
Kausha
#12 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:15:41 AM
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Very very very sad day indeed for Kenya.....surely this is one of those interviews they should repeat. No offense to the honorable ladies and gentlemen who were shortlisted but if we think objectively of the kenya we want...highly unlikely we will get any change when you get one of the cops to lead the rest yet we say the entire force is rotten!! Looking at the characters shortlisted.....
1. Kimaiyo-top, during PEV as director of operations he couldn't control anything and had to be let go..He probably knows a lot of illegal things and X files on what happened in Kisumu, Naivasha, Eldoret, Mathare and Kibera. Supposing we opened an inquest on rape cases carried out by officers in Kisumu and Kibera as IGP on whose side would he batting for...his cops or justice bearing in mind he was overall operations commander.
2. John Ochieng - Deputy commander, police airwing chief...clearly the systems he put in place or left speak for themselves, commisioner of police and ministers falling off the sky from choppers, most of the fleet grounded anyway, comical and rogue procurement of aircraft, aircraft that can't even do emergency operations to provide cover to hapless dying junior officers at suguta valley or even pick their bodies leaving them to be devoured by hyenas, above choppers that kill the line minister and his assistant. Ok seriously what do we expect this man to do?
3. Grace Kaindi- I found hers laughable. When Kisumu was burning, she was hiding in her house. Do we remember Kirui and the alleged cover up 'ati the gun that killed the innocent jolly boys' was not what Kirui was issued with yet we all saw it on KTN. Certainly Kaindi did nothing to get some justice for the parents and families of those boys. I shudder to ask what new or what progressive thinking can she bring to the table.
Deputies
1. Ndegwa Muhoro - Not much goes against him but surely nothing new to expect if he has not provided that in his current posting.
2. Judy Ndeda - again nothing new likely to come from her really considering she hasn't done much. Secondly her big plan is to cut number of cars attached to senior officers from 4 to 1. great it releases more cars for patrols but certainly doesn't provide a much needed quantum shift for the force.
3. jasper ombati - again one of those system apologists who would defend the system even when the plain truth was there.
4. Arachi - For someone who forcefully deducted 500bob from every AP's payslip to organize a farewell party for Kinuthia who is headed for politics surely can't be the top scorer unless we are happy with mediocre standards.

Bottom line for me is that we have set the bar and standards so low as to undermine the reforms in the justice system in kenya. Remember cops are a vital cog in the justice system and we can have a good and great mutunga but with such low and mediocre standards at the police interviews well Mutunga can only do so much...I just think Kavuludi and his team have seriously misunderstood their mandate and there is VERY SERIOUS TROUBLE ahead starting with the elections. Why didn't they do what Githae did with CMA..reject the list and demand better calibre applicants...
FRM2011
#13 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:58:36 PM
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Kausha wrote:
Very very very sad day indeed for Kenya.....surely this is one of those interviews they should repeat. No offense to the honorable ladies and gentlemen who were shortlisted but if we think objectively of the kenya we want...highly unlikely we will get any change when you get one of the cops to lead the rest yet we say the entire force is rotten!! Looking at the characters shortlisted.....
1. Kimaiyo-top, during PEV as director of operations he couldn't control anything and had to be let go..He probably knows a lot of illegal things and X files on what happened in Kisumu, Naivasha, Eldoret, Mathare and Kibera. Supposing we opened an inquest on rape cases carried out by officers in Kisumu and Kibera as IGP on whose side would he batting for...his cops or justice bearing in mind he was overall operations commander.
2. John Ochieng - Deputy commander, police airwing chief...clearly the systems he put in place or left speak for themselves, commisioner of police and ministers falling off the sky from choppers, most of the fleet grounded anyway, comical and rogue procurement of aircraft, aircraft that can't even do emergency operations to provide cover to hapless dying junior officers at suguta valley or even pick their bodies leaving them to be devoured by hyenas, above choppers that kill the line minister and his assistant. Ok seriously what do we expect this man to do?
3. Grace Kaindi- I found hers laughable. When Kisumu was burning, she was hiding in her house. Do we remember Kirui and the alleged cover up 'ati the gun that killed the innocent jolly boys' was not what Kirui was issued with yet we all saw it on KTN. Certainly Kaindi did nothing to get some justice for the parents and families of those boys. I shudder to ask what new or what progressive thinking can she bring to the table.
Deputies
1. Ndegwa Muhoro - Not much goes against him but surely nothing new to expect if he has not provided that in his current posting.
2. Judy Ndeda - again nothing new likely to come from her really considering she hasn't done much. Secondly her big plan is to cut number of cars attached to senior officers from 4 to 1. great it releases more cars for patrols but certainly doesn't provide a much needed quantum shift for the force.
3. jasper ombati - again one of those system apologists who would defend the system even when the plain truth was there.
4. Arachi - For someone who forcefully deducted 500bob from every AP's payslip to organize a farewell party for Kinuthia who is headed for politics surely can't be the top scorer unless we are happy with mediocre standards.

Bottom line for me is that we have set the bar and standards so low as to undermine the reforms in the justice system in kenya. Remember cops are a vital cog in the justice system and we can have a good and great mutunga but with such low and mediocre standards at the police interviews well Mutunga can only do so much...I just think Kavuludi and his team have seriously misunderstood their mandate and there is VERY SERIOUS TROUBLE ahead starting with the elections. Why didn't they do what Githae did with CMA..reject the list and demand better calibre applicants...


@kausha,i echo your sentiments 100%. It was clear from the onset that those who call the shots at harambee house did not want police reforms. I guess we underestimated their resolve. But kimaiyo for IG?? Thats a new low. Wasn't he kicked out of the force at the height of pev for showing open bias as people were being slaughtered in rv ?

Now imagine walking to the toughest elections in our history with kimaiyo as the boss. Huh, police reforms indeed.
Lucid_Iam
#14 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:01:22 PM
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I don't know why Muhoro did not go for the IG. This guys appears very level headed and professional. I hope he does not miss the deputy IG. Must the 1/3 rule apply?
Kausha
#15 Posted : Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:21:04 AM
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Of the lot, I would have gone with a combo of Swaleh Slim and Muhoro. One a retired ex cop with some corporate experience - as head of KQ, another an upcoming sleuth who has been fast tracked in the system but has a decent understanding of what is expected.

The rest are a bunch of jokers with no clue and vision on what is required...when you hear Grace Kaindi saying I will focus on bringing back retired officers coz they have interacted with the public or Judy ndeda saying I will reduce number of motis allocated to wadosi, then clearly these are oaks who have no idea what is going on or what is required of them....I SURELY HOPE OREZO IN USUAL SYTLE INVOKES some IMPUNITY and refuses to appoint any of the three and leaves ITere there, that way we can take advantage of elections and change of President to start the process afresh....or better where are those busy body activists..they need to visit Judge Mumbi's court room with one of those integrity suits and stall the whole process....

The best bets for this post for me and we should have at least skipped this interview process would have been Gen. Retired Daudi Tonje or Kipng'etich- ex KWS Boss. Simple, they showed great nous in reforming disciplined forces/ entities to a level where the institutions could progress on their own....Either of the two for me and I am certain they would attract great respect from the entire rank and file anyway which would make the reforms move faster...
alma
#16 Posted : Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:30:39 AM
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why are you guys complaining?

You had every opportunity to apply for those jobs and you didn't.

In fact, if you were not qualified, you were also invited to say what you thought about a particular person being chosen in those positions. Obviously you did not.

Sometimes democracy means that if you do not participate, you then have the RESPONSIBILITY to shut up and be led.

Next time, you will apply. nkt!
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, November 22, 2012 11:39:27 AM
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Coolio wrote:
Kimaiyo for IG


Rule one - 1/3 gender. There are only 2 ladies. The stronger one is Ndeda for DIG(Reg). That means she gets it, and since rule two is regional balance, Kimaiyo loses out.
Rahatupu
#18 Posted : Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:19:11 PM
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Kausha wrote:
Of the lot, I would have gone with a combo of Swaleh Slim and Muhoro. One a retired ex cop with some corporate experience - as head of KQ, another an upcoming sleuth who has been fast tracked in the system but has a decent understanding of what is expected.

The rest are a bunch of jokers with no clue and vision on what is required...when you hear Grace Kaindi saying I will focus on bringing back retired officers coz they have interacted with the public or Judy ndeda saying I will reduce number of motis allocated to wadosi, then clearly these are oaks who have no idea what is going on or what is required of them....I SURELY HOPE OREZO IN USUAL SYTLE INVOKES some IMPUNITY and refuses to appoint any of the three and leaves ITere there, that way we can take advantage of elections and change of President to start the process afresh....or better where are those busy body activists..they need to visit Judge Mumbi's court room with one of those integrity suits and stall the whole process....

The best bets for this post for me and we should have at least skipped this interview process would have been Gen. Retired Daudi Tonje or Kipng'etich- ex KWS Boss. Simple, they showed great nous in reforming disciplined forces/ entities to a level where the institutions could progress on their own....Either of the two for me and I am certain they would attract great respect from the entire rank and file anyway which would make the reforms move faster...
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DITTO
nakujua
#19 Posted : Thursday, November 22, 2012 1:49:59 PM
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alma wrote:
why are you guys complaining?

You had every opportunity to apply for those jobs and you didn't.

In fact, if you were not qualified, you were also invited to say what you thought about a particular person being chosen in those positions. Obviously you did not.

Sometimes democracy means that if you do not participate, you then have the RESPONSIBILITY to shut up and be led.

Next time, you will apply. nkt!


what makes you think of all the letters the police service commission received pertaining the candidates none came from a wazuan
maka
#20 Posted : Thursday, November 22, 2012 2:06:47 PM
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nakujua wrote:
alma wrote:
why are you guys complaining?

You had every opportunity to apply for those jobs and you didn't.

In fact, if you were not qualified, you were also invited to say what you thought about a particular person being chosen in those positions. Obviously you did not.

Sometimes democracy means that if you do not participate, you then have the RESPONSIBILITY to shut up and be led.

Next time, you will apply. nkt!


what makes you think of all the letters the police service commission received pertaining the candidates none came from a wazuan

@Alma many letters were sent...the thing is many dint expect it to go the way it has,we expected the commission to pick people who will bring real reforms to the police service not jokers as @Kausha said in his earlier posts,indeed its very sad thats the least/most I can say....
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