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Housing Finance: HFCK a diamond in the rough
Ericsson
#2141 Posted : Monday, November 22, 2021 1:53:15 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,379
Location: NAIROBI
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
obiero wrote:

Be ready to trade and leave alone emotions and theories


This is key. Spoken like a true elder.


An elder would tell you trading the NSE will get your head handed to you. Commissions of 2.2% going in and another 2.2% going out.
Don't trade this market. If you have to trade, take it to the fish market.


To trade target a minimum return of 25% so that when you remove commissions it comes to 20%


Lets put this in practice hypothetically. Pick one stock tomorrow, which you think will go up 25% in the next 7 months. Then lets circle back in Jun 2022. Please report tomorrow which that stock is so that we record tomorrows price.
Theory always much easier than action.


I've done it and it has worked,and that is how I came up with the figure.
This is not theory but action.
The practice is as below;
I bought KCB a year ago at Ksh.35,KCB is now trading at ksh.45.9,that is a return of 31.1%.
If I remove commissions at let's say 5%,that is a return of 26%.
Adding the ksh.1 dividend they paid,return goes even higher.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
KulaRaha
#2142 Posted : Monday, November 22, 2021 9:44:46 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/26/2007
Posts: 6,513
So who is heading HF now? Is it Kibaara or Oduori?
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
My 2 cents
#2143 Posted : Monday, November 22, 2021 1:24:35 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 6/2/2010
Posts: 865
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
obiero wrote:

Be ready to trade and leave alone emotions and theories


This is key. Spoken like a true elder.


An elder would tell you trading the NSE will get your head handed to you. Commissions of 2.2% going in and another 2.2% going out.
Don't trade this market. If you have to trade, take it to the fish market.


To trade target a minimum return of 25% so that when you remove commissions it comes to 20%


Lets put this in practice hypothetically. Pick one stock tomorrow, which you think will go up 25% in the next 7 months. Then lets circle back in Jun 2022. Please report tomorrow which that stock is so that we record tomorrows price.
Theory always much easier than action.


I've done it and it has worked,and that is how I came up with the figure.
This is not theory but action.
The practice is as below;
I bought KCB a year ago at Ksh.35,KCB is now trading at ksh.45.9,that is a return of 31.1%.
If I remove commissions at let's say 5%,that is a return of 26%.
Adding the ksh.1 dividend they paid,return goes even higher.


2020 to 2021 is covid rebound returns. Lets test with 2021 going into 2022. Pick a stock.
Ericsson
#2144 Posted : Monday, November 22, 2021 2:20:17 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,379
Location: NAIROBI
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
obiero wrote:

Be ready to trade and leave alone emotions and theories


This is key. Spoken like a true elder.


An elder would tell you trading the NSE will get your head handed to you. Commissions of 2.2% going in and another 2.2% going out.
Don't trade this market. If you have to trade, take it to the fish market.


To trade target a minimum return of 25% so that when you remove commissions it comes to 20%


Lets put this in practice hypothetically. Pick one stock tomorrow, which you think will go up 25% in the next 7 months. Then lets circle back in Jun 2022. Please report tomorrow which that stock is so that we record tomorrows price.
Theory always much easier than action.


I've done it and it has worked,and that is how I came up with the figure.
This is not theory but action.
The practice is as below;
I bought KCB a year ago at Ksh.35,KCB is now trading at ksh.45.9,that is a return of 31.1%.
If I remove commissions at let's say 5%,that is a return of 26%.
Adding the ksh.1 dividend they paid,return goes even higher.


2020 to 2021 is covid rebound returns. Lets test with 2021 going into 2022. Pick a stock.

When the prices become attractive.
Buying requires a plan and strategy that includes timing.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
My 2 cents
#2145 Posted : Monday, November 22, 2021 6:14:20 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 6/2/2010
Posts: 865
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
obiero wrote:

Be ready to trade and leave alone emotions and theories


This is key. Spoken like a true elder.


An elder would tell you trading the NSE will get your head handed to you. Commissions of 2.2% going in and another 2.2% going out.
Don't trade this market. If you have to trade, take it to the fish market.


To trade target a minimum return of 25% so that when you remove commissions it comes to 20%


Lets put this in practice hypothetically. Pick one stock tomorrow, which you think will go up 25% in the next 7 months. Then lets circle back in Jun 2022. Please report tomorrow which that stock is so that we record tomorrows price.
Theory always much easier than action.


I've done it and it has worked,and that is how I came up with the figure.
This is not theory but action.
The practice is as below;
I bought KCB a year ago at Ksh.35,KCB is now trading at ksh.45.9,that is a return of 31.1%.
If I remove commissions at let's say 5%,that is a return of 26%.
Adding the ksh.1 dividend they paid,return goes even higher.


2020 to 2021 is covid rebound returns. Lets test with 2021 going into 2022. Pick a stock.

When the prices become attractive.
Buying requires a plan and strategy that includes timing.


I definately play a different game.I buy and hold through thick and thin collecting dividends along the way. Dividends have kept me sane through the long bear market.
Ericsson
#2146 Posted : Monday, November 22, 2021 6:44:54 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,379
Location: NAIROBI
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
obiero wrote:

Be ready to trade and leave alone emotions and theories


This is key. Spoken like a true elder.


An elder would tell you trading the NSE will get your head handed to you. Commissions of 2.2% going in and another 2.2% going out.
Don't trade this market. If you have to trade, take it to the fish market.


To trade target a minimum return of 25% so that when you remove commissions it comes to 20%


Lets put this in practice hypothetically. Pick one stock tomorrow, which you think will go up 25% in the next 7 months. Then lets circle back in Jun 2022. Please report tomorrow which that stock is so that we record tomorrows price.
Theory always much easier than action.


I've done it and it has worked,and that is how I came up with the figure.
This is not theory but action.
The practice is as below;
I bought KCB a year ago at Ksh.35,KCB is now trading at ksh.45.9,that is a return of 31.1%.
If I remove commissions at let's say 5%,that is a return of 26%.
Adding the ksh.1 dividend they paid,return goes even higher.


2020 to 2021 is covid rebound returns. Lets test with 2021 going into 2022. Pick a stock.

When the prices become attractive.
Buying requires a plan and strategy that includes timing.


I definately play a different game.I buy and hold through thick and thin collecting dividends along the way. Dividends have kept me sane through the long bear market.


To each with their own strategy.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#2147 Posted : Monday, November 22, 2021 10:48:25 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,130
Location: nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
obiero wrote:

Be ready to trade and leave alone emotions and theories


This is key. Spoken like a true elder.


An elder would tell you trading the NSE will get your head handed to you. Commissions of 2.2% going in and another 2.2% going out.
Don't trade this market. If you have to trade, take it to the fish market.


To trade target a minimum return of 25% so that when you remove commissions it comes to 20%


Lets put this in practice hypothetically. Pick one stock tomorrow, which you think will go up 25% in the next 7 months. Then lets circle back in Jun 2022. Please report tomorrow which that stock is so that we record tomorrows price.
Theory always much easier than action.


I've done it and it has worked,and that is how I came up with the figure.
This is not theory but action.
The practice is as below;
I bought KCB a year ago at Ksh.35,KCB is now trading at ksh.45.9,that is a return of 31.1%.
If I remove commissions at let's say 5%,that is a return of 26%.
Adding the ksh.1 dividend they paid,return goes even higher.


2020 to 2021 is covid rebound returns. Lets test with 2021 going into 2022. Pick a stock.

When the prices become attractive.
Buying requires a plan and strategy that includes timing.


I definately play a different game.I buy and hold through thick and thin collecting dividends along the way. Dividends have kept me sane through the long bear market.


To each with their own strategy.

Exactly! One cannot proclaim that penny stocks are not tradable, while evidence suggests otherwise. The last time I checked buying and selling of real estate also comes with transaction costs. The bottom line is to make a decent ROI

COOP 5,500 ABP12.6; HF 261,000 ABP 3.49; KCB 7,500 ABP 36; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
My 2 cents
#2148 Posted : Tuesday, November 23, 2021 11:27:35 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 6/2/2010
Posts: 865
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
obiero wrote:

Be ready to trade and leave alone emotions and theories


This is key. Spoken like a true elder.


An elder would tell you trading the NSE will get your head handed to you. Commissions of 2.2% going in and another 2.2% going out.
Don't trade this market. If you have to trade, take it to the fish market.


To trade target a minimum return of 25% so that when you remove commissions it comes to 20%


Lets put this in practice hypothetically. Pick one stock tomorrow, which you think will go up 25% in the next 7 months. Then lets circle back in Jun 2022. Please report tomorrow which that stock is so that we record tomorrows price.
Theory always much easier than action.


I've done it and it has worked,and that is how I came up with the figure.
This is not theory but action.
The practice is as below;
I bought KCB a year ago at Ksh.35,KCB is now trading at ksh.45.9,that is a return of 31.1%.
If I remove commissions at let's say 5%,that is a return of 26%.
Adding the ksh.1 dividend they paid,return goes even higher.


2020 to 2021 is covid rebound returns. Lets test with 2021 going into 2022. Pick a stock.

When the prices become attractive.
Buying requires a plan and strategy that includes timing.


I definately play a different game.I buy and hold through thick and thin collecting dividends along the way. Dividends have kept me sane through the long bear market.


To each with their own strategy.

Exactly! One cannot proclaim that penny stocks are not tradable, while evidence suggests otherwise. The last time I checked buying and selling of real estate also comes with transaction costs. The bottom line is to make a decent ROI


What you are doing with Real Estate does not meet the definition of trading.
My 2 cents
#2149 Posted : Tuesday, November 23, 2021 11:29:06 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 6/2/2010
Posts: 865
Stock trading is about buying and selling stocks for short-term profit, with a focus on share prices. Investing is about buying stocks for long-term gains. ... Trading and investing both involve seeking profit in the stock market, but they pursue that goal in different ways.
obiero
#2150 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2021 8:02:41 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,130
Location: nairobi
Ukiona vyaelea https://www.businessdail...r-loss-to-sh570m-3632498

COOP 5,500 ABP12.6; HF 261,000 ABP 3.49; KCB 7,500 ABP 36; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
piedpiper
#2151 Posted : Monday, January 17, 2022 7:54:42 PM
Rank: New-farer


Joined: 8/21/2017
Posts: 31
HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch
Life is a beach and I'm just playing in the sand
obiero
#2152 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2022 8:57:22 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,130
Location: nairobi
piedpiper wrote:
HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch

The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits

COOP 5,500 ABP12.6; HF 261,000 ABP 3.49; KCB 7,500 ABP 36; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#2153 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:08:00 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 17,804
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
piedpiper wrote:
HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch

The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits

Whyyyyy? You enjoy the pain too much. There are "cheap" banks that could give you better returns.
Even foreign buyers would want a bank with less drama and there are plenty of Tier 2 and Tier 3 banks up for sale.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#2154 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:39:10 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,066
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
piedpiper wrote:
HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch

The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits

Whyyyyy? You enjoy the pain too much. There are "cheap" banks that could give you better returns.
Even foreign buyers would want a bank with less drama and there are plenty of Tier 2 and Tier 3 banks up for sale.


Penny stock addict 🤣
Life is short. Live passionately.
Ericsson
#2155 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2022 10:01:33 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,379
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
piedpiper wrote:
HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch

The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits

Whyyyyy? You enjoy the pain too much. There are "cheap" banks that could give you better returns.
Even foreign buyers would want a bank with less drama and there are plenty of Tier 2 and Tier 3 banks up for sale.


He's waiting for a buyout.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#2156 Posted : Thursday, February 03, 2022 6:35:07 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,130
Location: nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
piedpiper wrote:
HFCK back to lows of ~3.60. Losses are the order of the day. Is there any hope for this so called diamond in the rough...let us wait and watch

The only stock that I am currently eyeing, buying in cautious bits

Whyyyyy? You enjoy the pain too much. There are "cheap" banks that could give you better returns.
Even foreign buyers would want a bank with less drama and there are plenty of Tier 2 and Tier 3 banks up for sale.


He's waiting for a buyout.

More like imminent buyout

COOP 5,500 ABP12.6; HF 261,000 ABP 3.49; KCB 7,500 ABP 36; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
My 2 cents
#2157 Posted : Thursday, February 03, 2022 8:05:23 AM
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Posts: 865
I just hope not by KCB. They have a loaded pocket waiting for a target to waste money on.
Ericsson
#2158 Posted : Thursday, February 03, 2022 8:12:01 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,379
Location: NAIROBI
My 2 cents wrote:
I just hope not by KCB. They have a loaded pocket waiting for a target to waste money on.


KCB won't pass as it will be declared too dominant.
HFCK will be acquired by Equity, Co-op bank or a foreign entity
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
My 2 cents
#2159 Posted : Thursday, February 03, 2022 3:34:04 PM
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Joined: 6/2/2010
Posts: 865
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
I just hope not by KCB. They have a loaded pocket waiting for a target to waste money on.


KCB won't pass as it will be declared too dominant.
HFCK will be acquired by Equity, Co-op bank or a foreign entity


Equity by some metrics is bigger than KCB.
VituVingiSana
#2160 Posted : Thursday, February 03, 2022 4:35:12 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 17,804
Location: Nairobi
My 2 cents wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
I just hope not by KCB. They have a loaded pocket waiting for a target to waste money on.


KCB won't pass as it will be declared too dominant.
HFCK will be acquired by Equity, Co-op bank or a foreign entity


Equity by some metrics is bigger than KCB.
CBK/CAK would be concerned with Kenya and not the region though that may come into play given DRC may join the EAC.

Equity and KCB are only dominant in Kenya. If you add the EAC countries then the market share drops. Equity is #1 or #2 in DRC but that's still not dominance for EAC.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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