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Kumbe a Professor earns only 165k....before tax
jaggernaut
#1 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 1:30:35 PM
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Have seen those salaries in the papers and it's ridiculous. By the way where do professors live with those kinds of salaries?

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Egerton+closed+as+lecturers+strike+bites/-/1056/1271310/-/13br447z/-/index.html
bird_man
#2 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 1:44:10 PM
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So why don't they move to professions that pay better???

Most are lazy. They prefer some of our universities where nobody cares about your performance,what time you come in, whether you mark CAT papers etc. They will lecture from recycled notes dating back to 1998 yet so much has changed.

Why don't they move to other institutions where people are paid 500K?
Answer:Most lecture in 3 or so universities (165*3=495K).
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
nesta
#3 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 3:16:34 PM
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What value do they add; really?
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jamplu
#4 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 3:40:19 PM
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nesta wrote:
What value do they add; really?



they do add value to the kenyan system. since in this part of the world its papers that matter most than skill in the workplace....what a pity
For Sport
#5 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 4:08:56 PM
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bird_man wrote:
So why don't they move to professions that pay better???
Actually they’ve been doing that...not changing professions, just changing the employers and countries. Its called brain drain - where you spend public resources educating / training someone from age 6 till they're competent and then "donate" them to the developed world which is willing to pay more... . Apparently there are only about 350 Professors in the country. Crying shame.

Most are lazy. They prefer some of our universities where nobody cares about your performance,what time you come in, whether you mark CAT papers etc. They will lecture from recycled notes dating back to 1998 yet so much has changed.
I’m not so sure that such arguments should be used as the justification for their pay. These look like the symptoms of a very bad problem. Read the balckboard (nation) and if what was described there is anything to go by, you’re left to wonder whether they are equipped to perform. With the introduction of Module II(Parallel degree) student numbers are obscenely high. Staff numbers didnt change much. Some of these Universities have numerous constituent colleges which forces lecturers to hop from one part of the country to the other in the name of educating future generations. Where do they get time to sit down and research. And talking about research, do they receive adequate funding?


Why don't they move to other institutions where people are paid 500K?
You mean like Parliament?
Answer:Most lecture in 3 or so universities (165*3=495K).


Wapi Marex aongee?
Dash
#6 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 5:14:13 PM
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@bird-man you have spoken like a whole constituency without an mpig. Well said.
McReggae
#7 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 5:32:27 PM
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...they make so much more on the side!!!
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#8 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 5:43:23 PM
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Probably this is a good opportunity to interrogate what the professors actually earn in total. There is a lot of info they are not disclosing to the public.

-How many hours do they actually per week?

-If they actually research as they say... how much of this research is published or converted into life changing situations.

-are people paid by how much they know or by how much they do with what they know?
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dnn
#9 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 6:59:11 PM
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THAT'S BASIC PAY...not saying it's much or less, just clarifying
QW25081985
#10 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 8:18:10 PM
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what a foolish argument - (no pun though) ..do we know if they have other sources of income ...also most of them lecture in other universities ..thus tripling their income ifnot quadrupling...
But i must agree most profs in kenya are lazy and donot do research and write papers...
kaifastus
#11 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 9:19:33 PM
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Generally wages in Kenya's public service are low.
kiterunner
#12 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 9:33:21 PM
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I am usually inspired by reading Wazuan comments on most topics but I am disappointed on this one. Lecturers deserve to be paid better than they are at the moment. That way the job will attract (or retain) a better breed of intellectuals than we currently have. Working in three or more jobs is a survival mechanism for the Lecturers, they would settle if they were paid properly in one job. It is rather counter productive to deny an employee proper pay because he makes some more on the side.

I agree the academia in Kenya does not publish as much as they should, i dont think that has to do with laziness either. It boils down to funding for their research and the appraisal system in the universities. I wish the promotion would be pegged on the published record and impact factor of your work rather than the experience. It is self defeating for universities to make so much money from Module II and pass some of the money to their staff.

In the past lecturers were people that excelled in undergrad who went on to study postgrad but now every module II graduate is registed for masters or PhD of some sort. It is time we establish centres of excellence for gifted and very able students away from the module II model of education for the masses. That is the only way we can have capable people doing research that will make a difference.

Education needs to be revamped in this country right from nursery to the very top, before we do that vision 2030 is another pipe dream not worth the paper its printed on
our goals are best achieved indirectly
jaggernaut
#13 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 1:12:29 AM
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Have seen that US professors earns 610k per month while those in Germany earn 735k per month.

http://www.worldsalaries.org/professor.shtml
bird_man
#14 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 9:46:51 AM
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@jaggernaut,also please post the same for docs,IT specialists,accountants etc.The days of people being paid alot because they are "supposed" to is over.You have to give VALUE.

I had a prof who was so old he would forget what he was saying midway his sentences.Some would give 1998 computer science notes in 2006!Surely!Exam papers were not marked at times yet our class was of 35 people.Another one would come and mention the chapter we should read that week and disappear.Where is vision 2030 there?And this are the guys you want to pay 610K per month!

The truth is,sometimes you learn a lot more from your boss, workmates etc.These people earn more because they provide VALUE.Not because they KNOW a lot or studied for 12yrs.There are accountants/IT people earning 30K while others earn 300K.The same should apply for everyone.Give VALUE & you can ask for whatever amount you want.
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Mr.Wambui
#15 Posted: : Saturday, November 12, 2011 9:48:39 AM
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It's common knowledge that research is really expensive, and everyone who's been through university knows how much the institution invests in research. How then do you expect these profs to carry out their research? I bet most of the guys shouting how lecturers do not deserve salary increment eti because they're lazy and such, has never gone through university!
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kyt
#16 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 9:53:08 AM
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U cant compare what people in germany and US (1st world countries) earn with what kenyans earn. not here, the ecominies are world's apart.
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For Sport
#17 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:25:24 AM
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kyt wrote:
U cant compare what people in germany and US (1st world countries) earn with what kenyans earn. not here, the ecomonies are world's apart.


But we can !

Is this true? That our PM and President earn more than their British and US Counter parts and more than most Presidents in the developed world?

Our MPs are among the highest paid in the world..

was this based on VALUE? I find it ironical that politicians can make arguments on the basis of patriotism to convince public servants to keep quiet. Patriotism starts with PAYING TAXES....not cushioning yourself by voting for hefty salaries and allowances, being wishy washy on tax obligations and then asking everyone else to stay put as a show of patriotism.

Making arguments on the basis of value doesnt sort out the problem of remuneration. You cannot argue that people should get low wages because they "read old notes" and what have you. Question is, if we sacked the current crop...are we able to attract "performers" from out there given our current remuneration?
kyt
#18 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:35:53 AM
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and who said i support the prezzy pm and mps being paid that sum of money? the only reason they are paid that kind of money is because they set their own salaries. the renumeration commission is being established, i hope i be part of it
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For Sport
#19 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:55:15 AM
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kyt wrote:
and who said i support the prezzy pm and mps being paid that sum of money? the only reason they are paid that kind of money is because they set their own salaries. the renumeration commission is being established, i hope i be part of it


And then think of the irony of going to ask for Aid from a developed country whose President earns less than you do....

Tebes
#20 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:33:36 AM
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Professors throwing stones at Cleaners....NKT
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