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Punguza Mizigo Bill
alma1
#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2019 6:28:08 AM
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I wonder how much MCA's will be paid to finish their own careers.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
thuks
#2 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2019 11:10:39 AM
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alma1 wrote:
I wonder how much MCA's will be paid to finish their own careers.

Aren't theirs safe?
I care!
tycho
#3 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2019 11:24:05 AM
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We could also ask whether the thinking behind the bill is progressive enough to be part of Kenya's political agenda. At least under ideal conditions.

In my opinion, the thinking is retrogressive and perhaps too much pro status quo, when we clearly need more distribution of power and resources.

The ward is ideally the basic unit of a democracy and if we are talking about reducing distribution of power to the individual citizen regardless of social class, then the bill isn't democratic.
doubletap
#4 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2019 7:03:06 PM
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tycho wrote:
We could also ask whether the thinking behind the bill is progressive enough to be part of Kenya's political agenda. At least under ideal conditions.

In my opinion, the thinking is retrogressive and perhaps too much pro status quo, when we clearly need more distribution of power and resources.

The ward is ideally the basic unit of a democracy and if we are talking about reducing distribution of power to the individual citizen regardless of social class, then the bill isn't democratic.


Think distribution of power and resources has already been achieved to a greater sense, think it's the cost to the people for the right to decide how and where they want to spend there resources that is the issue at hand.

It costs too much in recurrent expenditure at the detriment of development agendas. Reduce them all.
You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else - Albert Einstein
tycho
#5 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2019 9:38:16 AM
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doubletap wrote:
tycho wrote:
We could also ask whether the thinking behind the bill is progressive enough to be part of Kenya's political agenda. At least under ideal conditions.

In my opinion, the thinking is retrogressive and perhaps too much pro status quo, when we clearly need more distribution of power and resources.

The ward is ideally the basic unit of a democracy and if we are talking about reducing distribution of power to the individual citizen regardless of social class, then the bill isn't democratic.


Think distribution of power and resources has already been achieved to a greater sense, think it's the cost to the people for the right to decide how and where they want to spend there resources that is the issue at hand.

It costs too much in recurrent expenditure at the detriment of development agendas. Reduce them all.


Firstly, the question of even distribution of power and resources has not been addressed. At least there is hardly any evidence that the distribution has ever tried to happen.

When power and resources are evenly distributed then it is reasonable to expect productivity. So if the assumption is power is more distributed then the correct bill should be for increase in productivity and probably definition of property and property values.

But in our case, we deem resources as scarce and costs being met from a central entity. This betrays the absence of even capacities across the country.

Finally, what is the marginal difference of this bill to Wanjiku? Wanjiku remains economically unsustainable even if the costs were to reduce.

We may need a rethink of our assumptions.
FRM2011
#6 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2019 11:22:09 AM
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If you read the proposals by aukot and specifically the numbers being thrown you realize there was not much thought given ot it by these jokers.

The numbers are arbitrary. Like reduce parliament budget from 43B to 5B. The "how" is missing. If we reduce MPs from 349 to 94, the budget reduction would not be as proposed y these jokers.

WE DO NOT HAVE AN OVER-REPRESENTATION PROBLEM. In Kenya, we have one elected representative for every 110,000 Kenyans. Most countries are below 100K. Actually, when you put all countries together on a chart, we fall under the under-represented category.

On of their crazy proposals is to convert counties to constituencies. Nairobi county to have 2 MPs. As we talk, the IEBC ought to have degazetted/merged several constituencies that don't meet the population threshold. Kangema, mukurweini, othaya, Tiaty and others. But it has proven such a hot political issue that nobody can dare touch them.

Yet Aukot and his bunch of crazies believe that Nairobi can adequately be represented by one man and one woman.

Finally, WE DO NOT HAVE A WAGE BILL PROBLEM. Our wage bill to revenue ratio has dropped from 51% to 28%. The world bank recommended threshold is 35%.
2012
#7 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2019 11:50:25 AM
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I like most of the Punguza Mzigo (Thirdway Alliance) proposal. The MCA part, not really. They have a great point that we always fight in elections where there's an incumbent because he still has control over the entire process and forces.

Stand for something or you will fall for anything. Today's mighty oak is yesterday's nut that held its ground. Rosa Parks
limanika
#8 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2019 11:51:48 AM
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In Kenya and Africa in general, the main problem is not so much of wage bill, but corruption and inability to create enough jobs. The people we appoint to leadership positions are lawyers and politicians so all they can think about is increasing their salaries and creating new laws to make their house superior to the other.

Can anyone remember a time parliament crafted a policy that triggered growth in any sector?
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