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Somalia in the 1980s - before collapse and alshabaab
hardwood
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2019 8:50:37 PM
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It was very civilized before radical Islam took it back to the dark ages......
















Ecclesiastes 9:7 So go ahead. Eat your food with joy, and drink your wine with a happy heart, for God approves of this.
harrydre
#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2019 9:01:24 PM
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kumbaff! I was expecting to see infrastructure etc. Rename this thread to Somali woman!

hardwood
#3 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2019 9:41:12 PM
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Somalia 2019. Its back to the 1500s.











Ecclesiastes 9:7 So go ahead. Eat your food with joy, and drink your wine with a happy heart, for God approves of this.
hardwood
#4 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2019 10:07:10 PM
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harrydre wrote:
kumbaff! I was expecting to see infrastructure etc. Rename this thread to Somali woman!


The women were also part of that somalia. Anyway some pre war cityscape photos here...







Ecclesiastes 9:7 So go ahead. Eat your food with joy, and drink your wine with a happy heart, for God approves of this.
AlphDoti
#5 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 7:15:56 AM
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hardwood wrote:
It was very civilized before radical Islam took it back to the dark ages...

Those words you have used are synonymous to the lines brainwashing media uses all the time. Those pics are Western like. The traditional Somalia, from culture to dressing, to food is not what you are depicting. But anyway, Western style is your yardstick.
gk
#6 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 10:04:31 AM
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harrydre wrote:
kumbaff! I was expecting to see infrastructure etc. Rename this thread to Somali woman!


LOL
kaka2za
#7 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 4:37:56 PM
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Surprisingly most Somalis appreciate Al shaabab for putting a leash on secularism.
hardwood
#8 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 7:04:17 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
Surprisingly most Somalis appreciate Al shaabab for putting a leash on secularism.


It's the men who are happy when women are subjugated under the guise of religion. In 1970s women could drive in mogadishu but today in 2019 they are not allowed to do so. Compare these 2 schools one in 1970 and the other in 2019.

1970s school







2019 school







Ecclesiastes 9:7 So go ahead. Eat your food with joy, and drink your wine with a happy heart, for God approves of this.
radiomast
#9 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:02:13 PM
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This thread is reminiscent of the old Nairobi thread where people wax poetic about how orderly Nairobi was in the 1960s and 1970s before we were overwhelmed by Mwafrikas greed, corruption and lack of foresight. Ask Naija people and they will say the same about Lagos. In Zim they will talk about how their country used to be the bread basket of Africa. Mwafrika naye. We suffer from the same disease but it manifests itself differently.
Lolest!
#10 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2019 5:11:49 AM
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Interesting!

Did/Do they speak Italian-the language of their former rulers?

Up North was the British colony. How did the formation of the united Somalia affect them?

Btw, been to a Somali biz in Nairobi. The computer keyboards are funny. Someone told me they're Italian keyboards
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masukuma
#11 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2019 8:10:33 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
Surprisingly most Somalis appreciate Al shaabab for putting a leash on secularism.

It’s all a matter of perspective - if all you see about modernity is debauchery - you end up hating it. Even though modernity gives you options to be the best version of you possible. Modernity will always beat traditional societies simply because people try out stuff and some of it works
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AlphDoti
#12 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2019 8:25:45 AM
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hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Surprisingly most Somalis appreciate Al shaabab for putting a leash on secularism.

It's the men who are happy when women are subjugated under the guise of religion. In 1970s women could drive in Mogadishu but today in 2019 they are not allowed to do so.

Some are happy to ape and copy the Western culture. And echo the words used by their media, ati subjugated. You are happy with sexual exploitation of your women. You are happy with the thousand prostitutes that walk the streets. You are happy with young naked little girls walking around in Koinange street, and say they represent liberation. You are happy with the thousands of abortions that take place with these young women, you say that represent sophistication or liberation. YOu are happy with naked women sitting on billboards, naked women selling everything even chocolate bar, toothpaste... And you this does not represent sexual exploitation?

So let's talk about things correctly. The lifestyle you're busy admiring, the "Westernization", is actually a disguise form of exploitation of the body, deprivation of honour, and degrading of soul.
masukuma
#13 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2019 9:42:00 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Surprisingly most Somalis appreciate Al shaabab for putting a leash on secularism.

It's the men who are happy when women are subjugated under the guise of religion. In 1970s women could drive in Mogadishu but today in 2019 they are not allowed to do so.

Some are happy to ape and copy the Western culture. And echo the words used by their media, ati subjugated. You are happy with sexual exploitation of your women. You are happy with the thousand prostitutes that walk the streets. You are happy with young naked little girls walking around in Koinange street, and say they represent liberation. You are happy with the thousands of abortions that take place with these young women, you say that represent sophistication or liberation. YOu are happy with naked women sitting on billboards, naked women selling everything even chocolate bar, toothpaste... And you this does not represent sexual exploitation?

So let's talk about things correctly. The lifestyle you're busy admiring, the "Westernization", is actually a disguise form of exploitation of the body, deprivation of honour, and degrading of soul.

What’s with these men attempting to regulate the bodies of women? Westernization is not one thing - it’s not that thing you are focusing on.
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hardwood
#14 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2019 10:27:11 AM
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@alphdoti, even the somalis themselves don't like the turn of events where radical islam has taken over their lives. They suggest that they go back to their original somali culture.







Ecclesiastes 9:7 So go ahead. Eat your food with joy, and drink your wine with a happy heart, for God approves of this.
hardwood
#15 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2019 10:35:20 AM
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@alphdoti....more evidence how radical islam has destroyed traditional somali culture.












Ecclesiastes 9:7 So go ahead. Eat your food with joy, and drink your wine with a happy heart, for God approves of this.
AlphDoti
#16 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2019 11:13:32 AM
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hardwood wrote:
@alphdoti, even the Somalis themselves don't like the turn of events where radical islam has taken over their lives. They suggest that they go back to their original somali culture.

Stop copying the media and their terminologies. It is akin to what Trump vomits regarding China, making big statements with no objective process to determine or specific measurement for claims. Islam is Islam, it has standards, it has standards for everything. Miniskirts is not Somali culture. If they want to go back to their culture, then they should, and the traditional clothes were good. But if they choose Islam, then they should abide by Islam, and you should not brand that as radical. However, I agree with you that there are those few extremists with wrong ideology giving Islam a bad name. Islam is perfect, but Muslims are not, I always tell you do not confuse the two.
Much Know
#17 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2019 11:17:28 AM
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hardwood wrote:
@alphdoti, even the somalis themselves don't like the turn of events where radical islam has taken over their lives. They suggest that they go back to their original somali culture.

There is a huge difference between westernization and modernization which radicals narrow thinking leaves them too uninformed to understand. Everything modern is labelled "western" and fought. The modern suits and styles are of asian origin (mostly india and china) and can be very decent. The ladies can put a dress reaching her ankles like prophet awours ladies if they want.
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AlphDoti
#18 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2019 11:20:36 AM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Surprisingly most Somalis appreciate Al shaabab for putting a leash on secularism.

It's the men who are happy when women are subjugated under the guise of religion. In 1970s women could drive in Mogadishu but today in 2019 they are not allowed to do so.

Some are happy to ape and copy the Western culture. And echo the words used by their media, ati subjugated. You are happy with sexual exploitation of your women. You are happy with the thousand prostitutes that walk the streets. You are happy with young naked little girls walking around in Koinange street, and say they represent liberation. You are happy with the thousands of abortions that take place with these young women, you say that represent sophistication or liberation. You are happy with naked women sitting on billboards, naked women selling everything even chocolate bar, toothpaste... And you this does not represent sexual exploitation?

So let's talk about things correctly. The lifestyle you're busy admiring, the "Westernization", is actually a disguise form of exploitation of the body, deprivation of honour, and degrading of soul.

What’s with these men attempting to regulate the bodies of women? Westernization is not one thing - it’s not that thing you are focusing on.

Same old debate, always has to come up each year, if not more. We repeat it again and again.
AlphDoti
#19 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2019 11:23:23 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Masukuma, that is not Islamic dressing that is Afghanistan dressing. Toka Afghanistan uende Chechnya. Here is a fashion show in Chechnya.

I'm glad someone else answered you this time round. Culture is different, and Islam is different, do not confuse that bro.

Dressing is more tribal than religious. There are some tribes that just have better taste than others.

See the above discussion answering a post similar to this.
hardwood
#20 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2019 11:55:19 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
@alphdoti, even the Somalis themselves don't like the turn of events where radical islam has taken over their lives. They suggest that they go back to their original somali culture.

Stop copying the media and their terminologies. It is akin to what Trump vomits regarding China, making big statements with no objective process to determine or specific measurement for claims. Islam is Islam, it has standards, it has standards for everything. Miniskirts is not Somali culture. If they want to go back to their culture, then they should, and the traditional clothes were good. But if they choose Islam, then they should abide by Islam, and you should not brand that as radical. However, I agree with you that there are those few extremists with wrong ideology giving Islam a bad name. Islam is perfect, but Muslims are not, I always tell you do not confuse the two.


Does one have to dress in a burka to be a muslim?




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