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murchr
#181 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 5:53:37 PM
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hardwood wrote:
The lady could also be acquitted of murder. She could argue that she invited a friend to her house, then an argument ensured between them that degenerated into a fight and when the visitor wanted to stab her with a knife, she rushed to the kitchen and grabbed a pressure cooker and hit the attacker on the head in self defense. That she then panicked on how to dispose the body and in a moment of insanity threw the body into a dam. She can only be charged with manslaughter not murder.



My fren, you earn the title of murderer when you put someone in a gunia and order their disposal. Your supu is in for life
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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gk
#182 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 6:08:53 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The lady could also be acquitted of murder. She could argue that she invited a friend to her house, then an argument ensured between them that degenerated into a fight and when the visitor wanted to stab her with a knife, she rushed to the kitchen and grabbed a pressure cooker and hit the attacker on the head in self defense. That she then panicked on how to dispose the body and in a moment of insanity threw the body into a dam. She can only be charged with manslaughter not murder.


So there was a fight? Wangui didn't say that in her statement but claimed Kori hit Wambui with the butt of the gun.

Me thinks that Wambui was whacked from the back as she enjoyed a cup of tea in enemy's territory.


Picture that.
She walks in to images of husband hanging on the wall and the furniture that looks just like hers then calmly suts down for a cup of tea.
Nope. ..lazima kalinuka.
gk
#183 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 6:10:51 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The lady could also be acquitted of murder. She could argue that she invited a friend to her house, then an argument ensured between them that degenerated into a fight and when the visitor wanted to stab her with a knife, she rushed to the kitchen and grabbed a pressure cooker and hit the attacker on the head in self defense. That she then panicked on how to dispose the body and in a moment of insanity threw the body into a dam. She can only be charged with manslaughter not murder.


So there was a fight? Wangui didn't say that in her statement but claimed Kori hit Wambui with the butt of the gun.

Me thinks that Wambui was whacked from the back as she enjoyed a cup of tea in enemy's territory.


Picture that.
She walks in to images of husband hanging on the wall and the furniture that looks just like hers then calmly suts down for a cup of tea.
Nope. ..lazima kalinuka.
sitaki.kujulikana
#184 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 6:18:33 PM
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I think the cops are just feeding the media with fake reports, just creating confusion
tycho
#185 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 6:18:38 PM
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murchr wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The lady could also be acquitted of murder. She could argue that she invited a friend to her house, then an argument ensured between them that degenerated into a fight and when the visitor wanted to stab her with a knife, she rushed to the kitchen and grabbed a pressure cooker and hit the attacker on the head in self defense. That she then panicked on how to dispose the body and in a moment of insanity threw the body into a dam. She can only be charged with manslaughter not murder.



My fren, you earn the title of murderer when you put someone in a gunia and order their disposal. Your supu is in for life


Not true @murchr. The method of disposal isn't mentioned as part of the elements of murder as per the law...
tycho
#186 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 6:22:21 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
I think the cops are just feeding the media with fake reports, just creating confusion


Then they could be deliberately destroying their case. Once the police start talking all over the place then the witnesses are likely to be corrupted...
murchr
#187 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 7:10:48 PM
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tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The lady could also be acquitted of murder. She could argue that she invited a friend to her house, then an argument ensured between them that degenerated into a fight and when the visitor wanted to stab her with a knife, she rushed to the kitchen and grabbed a pressure cooker and hit the attacker on the head in self defense. That she then panicked on how to dispose the body and in a moment of insanity threw the body into a dam. She can only be charged with manslaughter not murder.



My fren, you earn the title of murderer when you put someone in a gunia and order their disposal. Your supu is in for life


Not true @murchr. The method of disposal isn't mentioned as part of the elements of murder as per the law...


Malice a forethought google that. She called the taxi driver early to let him know kuna kazi jioni
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kaka2za
#188 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 8:24:53 PM
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gk wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The lady could also be acquitted of murder. She could argue that she invited a friend to her house, then an argument ensured between them that degenerated into a fight and when the visitor wanted to stab her with a knife, she rushed to the kitchen and grabbed a pressure cooker and hit the attacker on the head in self defense. That she then panicked on how to dispose the body and in a moment of insanity threw the body into a dam. She can only be charged with manslaughter not murder.


So there was a fight? Wangui didn't say that in her statement but claimed Kori hit Wambui with the butt of the gun.

Me thinks that Wambui was whacked from the back as she enjoyed a cup of tea in enemy's territory.


Picture that.
She walks in to images of husband hanging on the wall and the furniture that looks just like hers then calmly suts down for a cup of tea.
Nope. ..lazima kalinuka.


The story of pics on the wall was told by Wangui the suspect. There wasn't even a scratch on her face and the neighbor didn't hear anything .Women fights are messy and noisy and the entire neighborhood would have known.
My take is that Wambui was lured there to be killed and the pressure cooker hit caught her by surprise . Wangui then moved on to choke her so that she could not scream
essyk
#189 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 8:51:06 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Murder case has been solved. This is what really happened. Blow by blow account. Kori is innocent.....


Daily Nation wrote:
Yesterday, Mr Mathenge led detectives to a thicket in Ruiru where he and Ms Mungai dumped the items used to dispose of the body. The clothes used to wrap the body in and a baby seat were recovered from the scene. Missing, however, was the pressure cooker and a carpet that Mr Mathenge told police was spread on the back seat of the deceased’s Mercedes car where the body was laid on the way to disposal. In what would be an indictment of the lax manning of road blocks, Mr Mathenge told detectives they passed a police check at Kamiti Corner and they were waved on with only insurance being checked.

According to Mr Mathenge, police said, he went to Ms Mungai’s residence at Fourways Junction at 00:07 on her invitation, almost six hours after Ms Mungai and the deceased arrived there and started arguing over the love triangle involving Mr Karue. Ms Wambui was apparently bitter after she found her husband’s photos hanging on the wall in the house with furnishings identical to those in their family home at Safari Park Gardens Estate. A detective privy to the investigations said Ms Wambui reportedly demanded that Ms Mungai surrenders the logbook of her car — a Mercedez Benz identical to hers — saying she had heard her husband bought her the car. A fight ensued and a knife that the two wrestled over was among the items recovered at the thicket around the Tatu City area. Police have taken the knife together with other items for forensic examination. It is then that Ms Mungai, according to Mr Mathenge, rushed to the kitchen and picked a pressure cooker which she hit the deceased with on the head before strangling her with her hands.

She then took bed sheets and covers, wrapped the body and placed it inside the kitchen. Police suspect this may have happened at 20:20 hrs. According to the CCTV footage retrieved from Fourways Junction, Ms Mungai left the estate at 21:54 using Ms Wambui’s car to Homeland Inn where the two women had earlier revelled in the afternoon. According to police sources she wanted to pick a Toyota Allion, registration number KCE which had been hired out by Mr Mathenge and which she had left there as Ms Kamangara drove her to Fourways Junction.

However, security guards declined to allow her to leave with the car because she did not have a gate pass. “She parked the Mercedes car behind Homeland Inn and used a taxi to return to Fourways Junction where she arrived at 23:00 hours,” a detective told Saturday Nation yesterday. It was around that time she is reported to have called Mr Mathenge to her residence. He told detectives that Ms Mungai had called him earlier in the day promising him some work later in the night. Mr Mathenge, who owns a car hire company, drove to Ms Mungai’s residence at 00:07 hrs using a Toyota Noah, registration series KCK. The vehicle had been missing since before it was driven to Juja police station by someone who had hired it after learning it was being looked for by the police. Driving in the Toyota Noah, the two returned to Homeland Inn but the security guards stood their ground. Ms Mungai picked the deceased‘s car and they both returned to Fourways at 01:28 hrs with the two cars. By this time, the two, according to Mr Githae’s account to police, had agreed on where the body would be disposed of and how they would ferry it. “The Mercedes Benz was driven near the apartment stairs and, according to what Mr Mathenge has said, they both carried the body from the kitchen and placed it in the back,” a detective said yesterday.

A baby seat fixed at the back seat of Ms Mungai’s car was removed and placed at the passenger’s seat next to the driver to accommodate the body. Using the Kiambu-Kamiti-Ruiru Road the two cars followed each other and at a roadblock at the Kamiti road junction, Mr Mathenge’s car was searched but not Ms Mungai’s. Mr Mathenge said they drove to Mugutha, where the body was found on Sunday, January 27. Ms Mungai contemplated plunging the car with the body to the dam but later changed her mind.

While on their way back, they stopped at Gitambaya between Ruiru and Kiambu where, according to Mr Mathenge, Ms Mungai threw away the murder weapon, the beddings which had been used to wrap the body and the baby’s seat in a thicket. They then proceeded to wards Githunguri through the Kirigit-Riabai Road where, along the way, they threw away a blood-stained carpet before proceeding to Kwa-Maiko Trading Centre where they abandoned the deceased’s car which was recovered two days later.



This is too disturbing.
I believe she's killed people before.
All this madness in one night instead of sleeping.
#pukes.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
tycho
#190 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2019 3:00:28 AM
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murchr wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The lady could also be acquitted of murder. She could argue that she invited a friend to her house, then an argument ensured between them that degenerated into a fight and when the visitor wanted to stab her with a knife, she rushed to the kitchen and grabbed a pressure cooker and hit the attacker on the head in self defense. That she then panicked on how to dispose the body and in a moment of insanity threw the body into a dam. She can only be charged with manslaughter not murder.



My fren, you earn the title of murderer when you put someone in a gunia and order their disposal. Your supu is in for life


Not true @murchr. The method of disposal isn't mentioned as part of the elements of murder as per the law...


Malice a forethought google that. She called the taxi driver early to let him know kuna kazi jioni


Shifting goal posts. The issue under consideration was the packing of the body into the gunia.

About the taxi, that may be true, but so far, we could only be speculating on the reasons for the event.
Kusadikika
#191 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2019 11:01:18 AM
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tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The lady could also be acquitted of murder. She could argue that she invited a friend to her house, then an argument ensured between them that degenerated into a fight and when the visitor wanted to stab her with a knife, she rushed to the kitchen and grabbed a pressure cooker and hit the attacker on the head in self defense. That she then panicked on how to dispose the body and in a moment of insanity threw the body into a dam. She can only be charged with manslaughter not murder.



My fren, you earn the title of murderer when you put someone in a gunia and order their disposal. Your supu is in for life


Not true @murchr. The method of disposal isn't mentioned as part of the elements of murder as per the law...


Malice a forethought google that. She called the taxi driver early to let him know kuna kazi jioni


Shifting goal posts. The issue under consideration was the packing of the body into the gunia.

About the taxi, that may be true, but so far, we could only be speculating on the reasons for the event.


I think murchr is spot on. My elementary understanding of law tells me that to make a case for murder you need to show only 2 things: Mens rea and actus reus and murchr has just clearly stated the the 2 in his statements above.
murchr
#192 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2019 7:05:23 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The lady could also be acquitted of murder. She could argue that she invited a friend to her house, then an argument ensured between them that degenerated into a fight and when the visitor wanted to stab her with a knife, she rushed to the kitchen and grabbed a pressure cooker and hit the attacker on the head in self defense. That she then panicked on how to dispose the body and in a moment of insanity threw the body into a dam. She can only be charged with manslaughter not murder.



My fren, you earn the title of murderer when you put someone in a gunia and order their disposal. Your supu is in for life


Not true @murchr. The method of disposal isn't mentioned as part of the elements of murder as per the law...


Malice a forethought google that. She called the taxi driver early to let him know kuna kazi jioni


Shifting goal posts. The issue under consideration was the packing of the body into the gunia.

About the taxi, that may be true, but so far, we could only be speculating on the reasons for the event.


I think murchr is spot on. My elementary understanding of law tells me that to make a case for murder you need to show only 2 things: Mens rea and actus reus and murchr has just clearly stated the the 2 in his statements above.


The act of planning and later trying to conceal and hide evidence will get her in for murder

Quote:
1st Degree Criminal Homicide (Murder) -- These are acts involving the death of someone in "cold-blood" or by "lying in wait".

They are distinguishable by the MPC mental state of "purposely" which is defined in Homicide Law as having three (3) elements: (a) premeditated -- meaning fixed or obsessed; (b) deliberate -- meaning "cool"; and (c) malicious -- meaning scheming or clever. Also, the crime of felony murder (someone dies during commission of a felony) is automatically 1st degree homicide.

(2nd Degree Criminal Homicide (Murder) -- These are acts involving the death of someone in the "heat of passion". It's basically a catchall category today for acts such as shooting bullets up in the air, but historically, a number of older terms were associated with this grade; terms such as the "year and a day" rule (for when the death had to occur) and the idea of "malice aforethought" (which meant wicked, evil, depraved, spiteful, or with depraved heart). Of these terms, only the phrase "depraved heart murder" is still used. Heat of passion murder doesn't require provocation, but it still requires proof of intent.


I know you tycho is arguing just for the sake of it but we shall see what the IO comes up with.

Also the murder weapon is missing my guess is some kenyan collected it and its probably on sale somewhere that weakens the case but also it depends on how the ODPP will argue it out.
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hardwood
#193 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2019 9:36:14 AM
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In Trumpland, England and elsewhere, if someone attacks you in your own home you have the right to shoot them in the head and no questions will be asked.

How was wangui supposed to respond when confronted with a knife in her own home?

RINK

The Law wrote:
"The 'stand-your-ground' law provide[s] that a person has a right to expect absolute safety in a place they have a right to be, and may use deadly force to repel an intruder.

The castle doctrine is a common law doctrine stating that persons have no duty to retreat in their home, or "castle", and may use reasonable force, including deadly force, to defend their property, person, or another. Outside of the abode, however, a person has a duty to retreat, if possible, before using deadly force.

Castle doctrine and "stand-your-ground" laws are acceptable defenses for people who have been charged with criminal homicide.
murchr
#194 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2019 9:48:00 AM
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Going by the CCTV clips on K24, Wangui is a savage bitch. She was even spying on Kori & taking pictures of him and Wambui kn the day of murder. Pray
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Taurrus
#195 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2019 5:59:08 PM
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murchr wrote:
Going by the CCTV clips on K24, Wangui is a savage bitch. She was even spying on Kori & taking pictures of him and Wambui kn the day of murder. Pray

I don't think so, these two ladies had something going on between them!
hardwood
#196 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2019 7:59:10 PM
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Taurrus wrote:
murchr wrote:
Going by the CCTV clips on K24, Wangui is a savage bitch. She was even spying on Kori & taking pictures of him and Wambui kn the day of murder. Pray

I don't think so, these two ladies had something going on between them!


Yep. They appear to have been the best of friends. It's perplexing.
murchr
#197 Posted : Wednesday, February 13, 2019 5:51:24 AM
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https://m.youtube.com/wa...eature=youtu.be&v=O

Amazing
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Bigchick
#198 Posted : Wednesday, February 13, 2019 6:14:11 AM
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murchr wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=O

Amazing


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#199 Posted : Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:14:20 AM
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Ms Jane Wairimu is now at a loss to explain how her "God-fearing" daughter, Wangui, could be charged with the murder of Mary Wambui Kamangara, Joseph Kori Karue’s wife.

CHANGED FORTUNES

“My daughter is incapable of hurting anyone as she was brought up in a Christian way,” Ms Wairimu struggled to explain.
https://www.nation.co.ke...79154-50t2oj/index.html



Yeah right tell it to the birds....
Angelica _ann
#200 Posted : Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:57:56 AM
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wukan wrote:

Quote:
Ms Jane Wairimu is now at a loss to explain how her "God-fearing" daughter, Wangui, could be charged with the murder of Mary Wambui Kamangara, Joseph Kori Karue’s wife.

CHANGED FORTUNES

“My daughter is incapable of hurting anyone as she was brought up in a Christian way,” Ms Wairimu struggled to explain.
https://www.nation.co.ke...79154-50t2oj/index.html



Yeah right tell it to the birds....


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